Bravo for Go Fast Charters

Captain Sam (L) and his son Joe.
(L-R) Go Fast Fishing Charters Captains Joe and Sam Maisano.

It’s been a year since we introduced the Bravo I FS outboard propeller. It was originally developed for single engine four stroke outboard applications. We’ll, it didn’t take long for the word to spread regarding the prop’s performance. Folks running multiple four stroke outboard rigs started asking for right and left-hand rotation sets of the popular prop.

Bravo I FS test boat: 32-foot Donzi ZF center console.
Twin Verado 300s with 1.75: HD gearcases.

Being the conservative person I am, I opted to first work with a handful of people running various hull types to prove the concept before releasing the counter rotation Bravo I FS models. It took longer than I thought to get feedback from the field.

I  grew frustrated because I wasn’t getting any details regarding performance results. All I would get was, “They’re great! Thanks. ” or more often than not – no news at all. It was like pulling teeth. I found out over time the props worked so well that they wanted to keep their performance secret to themselves. Eventually, I got the detailed information I was looking for and I am happy to share it with you here.

Go Fast Fishing Charters enjoyed measurable performance improvements with the Bravo I FS.
Capt. Sam enjoyed measurable performance improvements with the Bravo I FS.

Captain Sam Maisano and son Captain Joe own Go Fast Fishing Charters in Treasure Island, Florida.   They repowered their 32-foot Donzi ZF center console last year twin Mercury Verado 300’s equipped with the HD 1.75 gearcase. They tested six different props, none of which met their performance goals. Their timing of contacting me was perfect as I was just beginning to research the feasibility of producing left-hand rotation Bravo I FS props for applications like theirs. In late February, 2012, they tested a set of 23″ pitch Bravo I FSs. The results were outstanding!  Capt. Sam said, “Since then we have run over 150 fishing trips and logged over 400 hours of excellent performance.”

Go Fast Fishing Charters recently repowered this 2005 Donzi 32 ZF with 2012 Verado 300 outboards.
Go Fast Fishing Charters’ 2004 Donzi 32 ZF CC with 2012 Verado 300 outboards.

Capt. Sam provided the following list of benefits he has realized after running Bravo I FS props.:

  • Excellent fuel economy at low, mid and high speed
  • Engine achieves 6100-6400 RPM, as recommended by Mercury
  • Stern lift and bow lift, boat rides on steps as designed
  • Excellent throttle response at all speeds and conditions
  • The boat jumps up on plane and does not cavitate
  • Best top end speed compared to all other props tested
The all new Pro Finish Bravo I FS.
The Pro Finish Bravo I FS is available in both right and left-hand rotation.

“We are extremely satisfied with the Mercury Verado 300’s and the Bravo I FS props. Together they are built for maximum speed, performance and efficiency and since the name of our business is Go Fast Fishing Charters these things are very important. We would certainly recommended these Mercury products to anyone,” concluded Capt. Sam.

Good stuff. I hope those with similar applications find this information helpful.

 

 

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29 thoughts on “Bravo for Go Fast Charters”

  1. Scott, Just picked new Ranger 520C with 250 Pro Verado. Came from Ranger with 26 Tempest. Turning about 6130 RPMs and 73 MPH.
    Which Pro Max would you reccommend? Thanks for your reply.

    1. Richard,

      Go with pitch for pitch. If you have a jack plate, consider moving up .25″ at a time. I’m thinking .50″ to .75″ higher could be your sweet spot.

      Scott

      1. Hi Scott
        Bravo for Go Fast was a great article. I have the same boat, a 2007 32 Donzi with 275 engines and was wondering what pitch you would recommend. The article shows the 23 turning 400 RPM more than the 22, exact opposite of what I would have expected. Was there a temperature difference or fuel difference? Having 275 engines instead of the 300 engines I am leaning toward the 22, but I may repower the boat down the road with 300’s and hate to buy props twice.
        Thanks for your time and help.
        Walt

        1. Walt,
          The chart lists two different styles of Bravo I propellers. The 22″ pitch Bravo I’s were the stock version and the 23″ pitch are the Bravo I FS. Big difference between the two styles. We put a lot of effort into the FS to gain performance. Its interesting Captain Sam increased 400 rpm over the stock Bravo I. In many cases – moving from the stock 22″ pitch Bravo I to the 23″ pitch Bravo I FS – a 1″ of pitch increase typically enhances engine speed by 100 rpm. If the engine(s) are toward the top end of the rpm range consideration should be given to increase 2″ of pitch to maximize performance and fuel economy.
          Scott

  2. Hi Scott,

    I am running a 1986 32′ Midnight Express Center Console with twin 300 optimax XS and Bravo 1 22′. The Bravo 1s are great props and give great fuel economy and handling at cruise. However, When I run WOT they provide way to much stern lift, plowing the bow into the water. Even trimming I can not get the bow up. Will the Bravo 1 FS subatantially reduce the stern lift? I feel I am losing a few mph because of the sternlift. Right now I can turn the engines up to 5850 (sometimes more with light load and cooler air) and get about 60-61 MPH. Cruising at 4100 gets me about 39-40 MPH.

    Thanks,

    John

    1. John,
      Thanks for the submission. You and others are having the same WOT stock Bravo I experience. The Bravo I is a great prop except, like in your case, it has the tendency to push the bow down. The Bravo I FS alleviates that issue by settling the stern for enhanced bow lift. This natural bow lift, without the need for engine trim, results in greater hull efficiency and improved fuel economy! The 23″ pitch FS should be close to your existing RPM at WOT, you might even see a 50 to 100 rpm gain.
      Scott

  3. Scott,

    Recently bought 2009 Triton x3 with a 250 ProXs. It has a 10 inch hydo jackplate and currently has 25p Fury. Hole shot is mediocre and at WOT with gear and one person is 71-72mph. When my partner steps in we are running only 68mph at WOT.

    What prop/pitch do you recommend for this rig?

    1. David,
      If you are getting 5750 rpm or higher, go for the 27″ pitch Bravo I XS. The Bravo I XS likes to run higher – so consider running up .25″ at a time until you find the sweet spot for best rpm and speed.
      Scott

  4. HI SCOTT

    I HAVE A 23 CONTENDER OPEN WITH THE NEW 150 FOUR STROKES BEEN WORKING ON ENGINE HEIGHT AND PROPS.SOLVED MOST OF THE ENGINE HEIGTH ISUSES WITH MANUAL JACK PLATES RUNNING 19 TEMPEST 6300 NOW AT RIGHT HIEGHT WAS AT 5500 IN TOP HOLE WITHOUT PLATES.JUST TRIED A SET OF 21 MIRAGE PLUS AND STILL TURNED 6000 19 TEMPEST ARE WORKING BEST EXECT RPMS.COMPUTER TELLS ME BRAVO 22 THAT SHOULD MAKE MY BOAT HIGH 50S MAYBE 60 WOULD BE AMAZING WHICH BRAVO ON MY APPLICATION.HEAVY STERN 75 GALLONS OF LIVE WELL WATER.

    1. James,
      The Tempest Plus is a great prop for your size of boat. It provides a good hole shot, a respectable mid-range punch and impressive top end speeds. It’s great you had the chance to compare the two styles of props. When comparing the Mirage Plus to the Tempest, expect the Mirage, with its big blade area, to provide better boat control in rough seas. In many cases the Mirage is 2 – 3 mph slower with your boat. The Mirage usually out performs the Tempest on larger, heavier boats. Three-blade props typically offer all bow lift. Four blade props typically raise both the bow and stern. The trick is to dial-in just the right amount of stern lift for maximum performance. The stock Bravo I 4-blade, with its flared barrel, might offer too much stern lift. This results with the bow being pushed down. The Bravo I FS is a hybrid of the stock Bravo I. The leading edge is designed for smooth entry. The barrel is shortened to minimize stern lift. The FS offers bow lift complimented with a bit of stern lift as well, resulting with he complete hull being lifted out of the water. The FS trailing edge blade cups are adjusted to allow for moving up 1″ of pitch, compared to the Tempest or Mirage, to achieve the same rpm. The 150 Verado engine rpm range is 5800 to 6400. Realizing 6000 rpm with the 21″ pitch Mirage has your engines toward the bottom of the range. Your engines may even drop below the recommended range when under a heavy load. At the same height, a 22″ pitch Bravo I FS would get you to the 6000 rpm range. The jack plates offer you the opportunity to increase engine height. You can usually raise engines an additional 3/4″ when running the FS compared with the 3 blades. At the increased height, engine rpm typically increases 80 to 150 rpm while staying hooked up.

      A question for you to consider. Is the 21″ (or 22″ Bravo I FS) too much pitch? If you hit 6300 rpm with the 19″ pitch Tempest under a light load, I’d stay with the Tempest. But if you realize 6000 rpm under a heavy load with the 21” pitch then the 22″ Bravo I FS is definitely worth a try.
      Thanks,
      Scott

  5. I have the new mercury 150 3.0 4cyl non supercharged .I also turned a 23 rev 4 5300 but blew out a lot on hole shot my rpm range is 5200 to 5800.

      1. Scott

        Just Repowered a 2001 Donzi 35ZF with Twin Verado 300’s Dealer outfitted with 21 pitch Enertia’s . Original setup was 250 EFI was running 4 blade Bravo 22 pitch , was getting 58/59
        expected a boost with the 300’s economy wise and speed wise

        As outfitted performance was lackluster at best , loaded back the 4 blade 22’s and gain on top end , moved up to 4 blade 23’s runs great at 4500 rpm pushing 39.8 MPH on GPS but feels as though losing lift when I throttle up and speed starts dropping off

        Could you advise best setup mounting point ( height wise ) on Transom and spacing – they are 25″ inch shafts 1.85 ratio . Wondering if issue rests there as not sure how familiar they are with the Step Hulls

        1. Steve,
          Can you supply some more information regarding the style the 23” pitch props are and what rpm and speed you’re getting at WOT? Also, what is the current height of the AV plate (anti-ventilation) above the boat bottom? Use a straight edge holding up to the bottom of the boat (right in front of each outboard’s gearcase), the straight edge should reach the AV plates. Trim the engines so the AV plates are level with the straight edge (use a level if need be). Measure the distance between the straight edge and the AV plate and let me know what that is.
          Scott

  6. Hi Scott, I’ve been trying to get my 32′ fountain cc propped correctly. I have twin verado 300 but when I paired them with the old bravo 1 22p I could only spin them at 5730 rpm. Could I expect to see more rpm out of the bravo 1 FS? Running the 20p Rev four now but the boat doesn’t seem to run flat with them

    1. Brien,
      The Fountains typically came with the Lab Finished Bravo I. Just to clarify, the difference between the stock Bravo I and Lab Finished is a gain of 300 rpm. If the current props are stock and not damaged or worn down, we could see the engine rpms moving from 5730 to 6000 – 6050 rpm with a 22″ pitch Lab Finished Bravo I. I would prefer to see your engines hit at least 6100 to 6200 rpm at WOT. The Bravo I FS should be a good alternative; but what pitch? Assuming the 22″ pitch is a stock Bravo I spinning at 5730 rpm, moving to the 21″ pitch Bravo I FS should bring the engines closer to the 6100 to 6200 rpm operating range.
      Contact me if you’d like discuss your application in greater detail.
      Scott

  7. Scott, have a 38 fountain CC just re powered with the new 2015 Verado 350’s. The props that are on the boat now are the Bravo 1 lab bed 26’s, with those props the boat runs 75 mph. The problem is hitting the rev’s at 6650-6700 so need more pitch. The boat with 300’s was running the 72 mph. I expected to see a bigger increase in speed. I know the fountains general like a stern lifting prop. Tried the Rev 4 line of props but the plane off time “hole shot” was horrible. I am wondering if the new Bravo FS which has more bow lift would still have enough stern lift for the hull, or if a 28 Bravo 1 pro finish would be better. If a Bravo FS would suffice then the next question is what pitch would be the “magic number” to try. If you have another suggestion for prop selection to try would be intrested. Thank you I am fortune enough to re power every year. If you can would like to speak with you about this personally thak you for your time and advise. Thank you Randy

    1. Randy,
      Stay with the Lab Finished Bravo I. They are the best props for the Fountains. I’m thinking 29″ is the optimal pitch. The part numbers are 831916L45 and 831915L45. We’re currently running 1.5 weeks out from time of order.
      Enjoy,
      Scott

  8. Scott, any thoughts on the 300 Verado’s fitted to the sea ray 370 venture. I am considering one at the moment but I am a little concered at many comments on tne need to run at 5000 to attain plane! Would a change of props like the ones mentioned above help ?
    Thanks Will

    1. Will.
      Thanks for asking the question. The Bravo I FS pitch range is 20″ – 33″ pitch. The 370 Venture uses the 15″ pitch Mercury Enertia propellers to achieve the engine maximum rpm rating of 6400 rpm. The 20″ pitch Bravo I FS would lower the engine speed by approximately 600 rpm which is too low for the Verado outboard.
      Scott

  9. Scott, i have a 25 fountain cc non stepped hull with a 225 optimax. I run a 19 mirage and get 5750 rpm at almost 49 mph. I like the mirage bit i once tried a buddies 22p bravo 1 on my boat. And just really like how the boat rode. I was surprised i was able to get up on plane and i know 22p is to big of a prop my motor. But we did get on plane with no problems and the stern lift and just the whole feeling how the boat rode was a night and day difference from my mirqge. Will a 20p bravo 1 fs work on my application and what rpms will i prob see. The max rpm i saw with the bravo 1 22p was 5000 i dont remember the speed. Your help will be appreciated! Thanks

    1. Yoel,
      The 20P Bravo I FS should offer similar rpm as the 19P Mirage unless the Mirage was repaired or had some modifications done to it. It’s surprising the 22P Bravo I dropped so much rpm, I would have thought it would have brought it down to 5300 to 5400 rpm.
      Scott

  10. Scott,
    I have a 2016 Frontier Meridian 2104 with a Yamaha 200SHO. The boat has a 25″ transom and the SHO is a 20″ motor. The boat has a 7″ setback built into it and has a 12″ hydraulic jack plate. The prop shaft to bottom of boat is 1″ below. Bill Kenner setup and propped the boat with a 21″ Saltwater Series 2 prop…..which is a good all around Yamaha prop for this boat/ motor combo. With a fishing load and 3 people, in the summer heat, it runs 58 at 6100rpms. In cooler weather it hits the rev limiter. I’m hoping a Bravo FS can improve my performance…..what would you suggest?

    Thanks for your time,
    Sid

    1. Sid,
      I think the engine rpm range is 5000 to 6000. If that’s correct, the 23” pitch Bravo I FS could drop the engine speed down 150 rpm to approximately 5950 rpm. A 24” pitch would drop engine speed by another 150 rpm to approximately 5800 rpm. Listing both pitches helps you decide which one to go with – depending on where the rpm falls in the cool temperatures.
      Scott

  11. Dear Scott:

    I have a 2007 Fountain 32 CC with twin 275 HP Mercury Verado’s. I am trying to prop the boat for maximum mid range cruise. I have run Bravo 1 22 pitch and turned them 5700 rpm at 52.1 mph. Midrange cruise has been 4200 at 39 – 40 MPH. I am thinking of switching to Bravo 1 FS 21 pitch. What do you think is the optimum propeller for this set up?

    Sincerely,

    Jorge

    1. Jorge,
      The Verado’s recommended operating range is 5800 to 6400 rpm. I agree on moving to the Bravo I FS 21″ pitch to get into the range. However, I can’t say you’ll see any improvement in mid-range and at WOT. Your numbers are really good except for 5700 rpm.
      Scott

  12. I have a 2006 Fountain center console with twin 275 Mercury verado. It takes me about around 5400 rpm’s to get 50 mph… when I push it any harder can top out at 53 miles per hour at 5700 RPMs but then that’s all I have, I trim it out as much as I can… I am running stock 22 pitch Bravo 1…. do you think if I went with the Bravo 1 FS 23 pitch that would help me? I would like to run around 6000/6200 RPMs and wot 60/61 mph…according to what I read from fountain it should be one mile per rpm…. if I was your run at 6400 RPMs I should be able to do 64 miles per hour ( according to fountain). What do you suggest I do to get the right props…. Thank you so very much for your help, I’ve asked several people and got no answers yet, I would so appreciate your input again thank you in advance for your help. Please any input would be greatly greatly greatly appreciated!!! 7-5-2016

    1. Danny,
      It’s going to be challenging getting up to 60 mph with the current setup. You might be able to get to 55 mph with 21″ or 22″ pitch Bravo I FS.
      Scott

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